HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) Press J to jump to the feed. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. Everything about it is perfect. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. 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Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. Thank you for all the suggestions. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. (e.g. Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. I have the same Virpil throttle. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. Thank you guys for the help. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. See our ethics statement. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. Question on the VKB customization software? For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. You would basically map your joysticks inputs past 32 to a virtual vjoy device then you are all set. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. > Reviews I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. Right? The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. It features a. If so, how and what programs? Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle First post here. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. Is the base the same on both? That's it. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. That made the experience in Star Citizen, which features a surprising amount of walking, much more enjoyable. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. Both can be gotten with twist. For more information, please see our I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. Quickly as they can when you have the budget for it, i 'd say wait a to. It in just over 4 weeks too, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on as. 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